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by Bruce Clarke

Here we are as a group, undergoing Life Repair as an organization. It’s a serious and a must-do progression for us and all mankind. But what about moving up to Grade 0?

How to communicate truth?
How to communicate truth to the illiterate?
How to communicate truth to the barely illiterate?
How to communicate truth to a public who has already been turned against your message?
How to communicate in order to help, when help has been redefined as betrayal?
How to communicate to a world who has already long been knocked out of communication?
How to communicate a powerful message when you’re not in power?

To be sure, LRH faced all these questions and more, and gave them considerable thought throughout his push to forward Dianetics and Scientology. Likely the answers are given in HCOB’s and HCOPL’s, here and there, more and less.

But now we are tasked to seek these answers if Ron’s tech is to move forward in time. It’s a group grade zero, so to speak.

Best answers?

219 thoughts on “Moving forward

  1. BC:

    There is not one answer to those questions.

    One answer is this: Make more well and happy human beings. The best advertising is word of mouth, so our good products speak volumes for us. As we handle more, our reach multiplies.

    But here’s another crucial thing we must handle. We have a large Field to recover. This will take years, if not decades. But in the meantime, we who are trained are not enough, and we’re not getting younger. Sooner rather than later, we will be moving on to new bodies and new lifetimes. In the meantime, someone has to carry on our work. It’s nice to hope that the Church will get handled and all will get better. But that’s just a hope, not a predictable event on the horizon. So we need much much more training going on in the Field. Aside from emotional/spiritual cleanup, it could be said to be our most important product. (This is actually a sub-product for Clearing the planet or any other product involving auditing.) Moreover, trained people disseminate more, if I recall correctly.

    Another answer is (I hate to say it): sell books. This was a classic LRH solution. BUT, it is critical that the books you sell direct the reader to Field practices, not the Church of Scientology. If I had a Field practice in an area, I would have cards made up to direct readers to my practice. And then I would find every Dianetics/Scientology book I could, in a fifty mile radius, and insert the cards into each and every one of those books. This includes libraries, new and used bookstores, etc. And then purchase every LRH book I could afford to buy (E-Bay, Craig’s List, etc.) and sell those with cards in them and old lists of orgs in them crossed out.

    Another answer is to move out into the community around us and use what we know to improve conditions. Look particularly at the work Lana has been doing in her local area. These are concrete examples of Scientology improving conditions. And these actions correctly reveal the source of the help. It is not the cold, uncaring, money-motivated and perverted Church of Scientology. It is the individual in your neighborhood. Seeing such actions and then comparing them to the non-existent help from the Church, it then becomes rather easy to see that one is good and one is not.

    That’s three answers. There are undoubtedly more.

    One additional comment I would make. It is now more than ever important for all of us who are “with LRH” to contribute back to Scientology. Gone are the times when you could sail into an Org, get your 12-1/2 hours, and sail back out again, having done nothing for the cause other than improve your own life (and perhaps tangentially those around you). The frightening truth is that at this point in history, we are all more or less staff. Because of the destruction of the Church, we are now the only effective agents of improvement left on this planet. We can’t be “rugged individuals” any more. LRH said this over and over, that we must organize and we must work together as a team. He was right about events millions of years back, and he’s right about now. But even more now. We can’t do anything about what happened back on the track (except audit it out). But we can repair our mistakes going forward. We are a group and we must act like it. You, yes you, have a duty to this third dynamic (and your fourth as well). If you prefer the straight LRH to what I’m saying, then I refer you to “An Open Letter To All Clears”.

    Paul

  2. Excellent answers all, Paul. The first one you brought up had been my best answer as well. There is a HUGE field of many thousands which can be cleaned up and revitalized. Probably could use some myself.

  3. PZ:

    Actually, those points are the three activities that any Org would be involved in, more or less: training, processing and book selling.

    I wish I could get some support for people keeping and reporting stats.Then perhaps we would know how many salvages/clean-ups, how many new people introduced, how many books sold, how many training courses completed, etc. If I were involved in a training/processing activity, I’d be keeping track of those things, just for my own curiosity if for no other reason. Besides, hopefully our little, isolated Field activities will expand and eventually get big enough that we’ll need some management (at least within groups) and we’ll have to start reporting stats for the sake of rewards and penalties. Best to start now. Stats are part of the Tech, too.

    Sometimes I wonder if we’ll get back to Standard Admin right after we manage to reform the Church.

    Paul

  4. Bruce,

    Probably it’s more like “liability” (or possibly lower) as Ron says in the earlier RED posted regarding RJ 68.

    Communication in my opinion would apply to Non-E more. Finding out what the f_ we’re doing wrong (which we pretty much already know but good to have confirmed by survey in a new unit of time) that will tell us that what is pissing off the public is disconnection, unnecessary sec checks, various injustices, lack of public outreach etc.

    One reads the “natter boards” and one finds that disconnection and overdone sec checks are in the top 10.

    • PS

      Not that I don’t think that communicating isn’t a great idea and all that.

      So I wasn’t trying to make less of what you said :

      How to communicate truth?

      As you know per Science of Survival there are different levels of truth. Also Ron covers what is considered an “acceptable truth” for instance the truth that one is a spiritual being is not acceptable to some who believe they are an accident of evolution or whatever.

      So you can only reach these people with Dianetics. Ron covers this in a policy which I’ll have to dig up for you.

      How to communicate truth to the illiterate?

      This can be done with M7 w/cing and A/V aids like Ron’s interview on Scientology etc.

      How to communicate truth to the barely illiterate?

      The above and probably a grammar course of some kind.

      How to communicate truth to a public who has already been turned against your message?

      Personally I don’t think there are too many public who are against “Total Freedom” except those who are totally spun in or are suppressive.

      I think why they seem like they are is due to the following.

      How to communicate in order to help, when help has been redefined as betrayal?

      In the Church these days and other practices that claim to give freedom they have been betrayed and so this BPC has to be handled.

      There is a good process in the Book of Case Remedies to handle this.

      Plus a GF 40 section wouldn’t hurt either.

      How to communicate to a world who has already long been knocked out of communication?

      Well that is the problem the Ol’ man was trying to address back in the early ’80’s with the World Out of Comm Eval and found that surprise surprise a Comm Course helped and such actions as KTL did wonders as well.

      How to communicate a powerful message when youโ€™re not in power?

      Personally I don’t think one has to be in power to communicate a powerful message. If the message has enough power it will carry on up to the highest levels of society.

      This is why grass roots movements are so effective.

      The above is just my opinion.

      LR

    • I would say as a group the churches condition in the society is more like Treason, “betrayal after trust”. Sure its been a battle but we more or less have been allowed to operate in this society since 1950, on the grounds we do not harm other dynamics. Which the church now does. So how much longer it will be allowed to exist in its current form is an open question. A society will only tolerate so much.

      We who have left have an idea of this, but those still in, are being told, and to a large degree think, they are in power or will be soon when gat kicks in, or the ias make it happen. They are operating on a non confront and dub-in. So I was wondering how we would communicate to them.

      I have been listening to a Level 1 tape called:

      TAPE 21 Apr 64 Problems and Solutions

      He talks about how current problems, were past solutions. Examples are, Drugs were a solution to a traumatic experience. Giving up men/women is a solution to abusives spouses, these “solutions” then become a problem.

      LRH:

      ” No,you have to find out why the individual didnt want to be aware at those points, and he didnt want to be aware because he solved it. Well what was his solution?”

      Maybe a good question for those still in the church is “How is not investigating the churches claims a solution?” Get the charge/considerations off so they can become more aware.

      Then point them to a pro LRH site.

  5. Look at what policy applies and apply that. As you said, Bruce, Ron faced all these questions and more. He wrote up his conclusions in the forms of policies, bulletins and directives. So discovering what policy would apply and then following that policy to effect change and to reach out would be some good first steps.

    • That’s nicely said Chris but whenever I mention one of these bulletins ,policies or directives like say Scn Review, Politics; Freedom From , Working Theory, etc I get accused by you of being some kind of “conspiracy theorist” or having a view of things that rivals some B grade Science Fiction movie.

      Personally I think that not only should we apply Scientology on a case by case basis but also in gaining a better understanding of what is happening on this crazy planet and how this insanity affects us and the Organization.

      • “Personally I think that not only should we apply Scientology on a case by case basis but also in gaining a better understanding of what is happening on this crazy planet and how this insanity affects us and the Organization.”

        No disagreement on this.

  6. Great article and well stated, Bruce. Very salient replies, too.

    Grade 0 (zero), probably sums up the required minimum starting point
    .
    Not that one should, for a moment exclude the tools, the TR’s (all!)
    for getting the job done, with the assistance of high ‘A’, in ARC!

    Realistically though, the world definitely has moved on, with people being connected (mainly through the ‘net) and are exploring all sorts of approaches to ‘improving’ their lives. Technological breakthroughs are opening up exponentially, giving people so much more freedom of choice.

    Imho, the core strengths of the philosophy and the tech, will only survive with relevance, IF, and I stress IF, it is communicated with enormous emphasis on the ‘group’ (of whatever size) being and/or becoming a genuinely HIGH-toned, friendly, welcoming entity.

    The value of being such, should (by way of ‘the competition’ out there) by now, be perfectly obvious!

    — Calvin. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • RIB,

      You bring up some good points. Personally I think the Internet is overrated.

      What started out as a redundant data base developed by APRA in the late ’60’s in case of a nuclear attack on any “node” in its infrastructure became what we call the ‘Net today.

      Much of it still under the control of the Military Industrial Complex that created it.

      See Snowden’s revelations on such programs as x-Keystroke and PRISM etc operated through NSA. Also Facebook and Google’s cozy relationship with CIA’s In-Q-Tel etc.

      The scandal regarding PROMIS software back in the ’80’s.

      Also I recommend reading the Computer Series in the current Management Series volumes.

      What many consider “liberating” or “empowering” “freedom of choice” can also be used as a means of entrapment.

      Ask yourself what means would advanced civilizations on the whole track use to implant its population? And the answer would probably something like the internet.

      I’m not saying that we should turn into total ‘Net Nazis like the Church which restricts the access of its parishioners. But we should be aware of various pit falls.

      • Here’s one way (from “The Nature and Formation of the GPM”):

        “An implant is an electronic means of overwhelming the thetan with a significance.

        In the case of implanted Goals Problem Masses, use was made of the mechanics of the actual pattern of living to impress and entrap a thetan and force obedience to behavior patterns. The goal selected was not based on any goal of the thetan but was an entirely arbitrary selection, both as to goal and pattern, by those conducting the implanting.

        Implanting was an activity carried out to prevent retribution from executed persons, to dispose of captured armies and block their return home as thetans, to dispose of “excess population,” to “fit” a thetan for a colonization project, to dissuade revolutionaries, simply to implant, and many other reasons.

        Lacking actual technology, time, real purpose and common decency, the electronic implant was the standard short-term means of handling the problems of life.” LRH

      • Hi RV. Yep, you’re bang on with those points, too.

        My point was aimed at emphasizing just how “much” freedom of choice we are experiencing today, unthinkable in the Ol’ Man’ era!

        Stuck in a wheelchair, all alone, bored, with no friends, (for example) The ‘net facilitates a real solution to most of those pfoblems, in just a few clicks of a mouse.

        Expanding the technology to GPS, can handle the location of your stolen or hi-jacked vehicle in minutes, view close up practically any site location you choose on the planet, established with astounding precision.

        Kids today, are no longer “cool” , if they don’t have the latest cellular connectivity.

        etc, etc.

        I like the way Bruce begins his OP:– “Here we are as a group.”

        Yes, RV, we sure are, and “disconnection policy” evidently has no real opportunity to suppress that! “Comm lines” ARE pretty much freely available to almost any one and anything of our “choice”

        Becoming “relevant” (again!) in today’s fast-paced, connected population, is going to take some remarkable ‘attention grabbing’ feats, that can actually stand out long enough, to make inroads with our heavily ‘information overloaded’, fellow beings.

        So back to my point — This is an unimaginably fast-paced era. To attain relevance against a kamikazi totalitarian nutcase who has almost completely demolished the Scn credibility in the world,
        is going to take some amazing promo favoring the ‘life repair’ , or some other inviting morsel, that only has a slim chance (at best) of undoing the mayhem of Macdamage!

        Therefore, RV, like it or not, we are forced to use the modern form of ‘interconnectivity’, to secure a meaningful future, hey?

        In the meantime though, we had better just keep on doing the good work, such as here on the independent MS2 site, or DROR Academy, or the other outposts still doing so.

        Cheers. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • RIB: “Therefore, RV, like it or not, we are forced to use the modern form of โ€˜interconnectivityโ€™, to secure a meaningful future, hey?”

          Hi Calvin, some good views you’ve made; I’m curious as to what would be your suggestion(s) or ideas moving forward. Also, what role do you see the “modern form of ‘interconnectivity'” playing in the future?

          • Chris, How are you doing, my good man? ๐Ÿ™‚

            Well, as you are already aware, one’s business activity usually makes inroads into the marketplace primarily through exposure of the ‘positive’ kind.

            Marketing one’self and/or business today is a pretty big gamble, even in the hands of the ‘hot’ ad agencies, who are mostly made up of extremely talented, creative, and high energy team members.

            With the massive stakes involved with large numbers of consumers in mind, the guys who engineer interest right up front, have to know what they’re doing, to beat out their competitors, in securing that all important slice of the consumers income. These top guys, obviously, have to keep up with the rapid changes and developments occurring in the marketplace, or they would not continue to be sought out for their expertise!

            Having said that, Chris, it is a testament to the Ol’ man’s bang on research into promo, when he observed (in part), “that it is the ‘dreamer of dreams’, the artists, the creative spirit/s, that advance new ideas, by which man can progress.”

            Thus, your front line guys (excluding the Shermanesque drlvel outpourings and other such dead beat nonsense LOL) are pretty fluent in “what works.. and what doesn’t”

            It therefore makes good business sense, to make a study of successful, marketing strategies, and how one can maximize fast ‘capture’ of one’s intended market slice.

            As a matter of interest, Geir Isene, made an interesting video with Jeffery Augustine, on how to market Scn, in a positive way, and minimize the negative aspects. And Geir is primarily an IT guru, with no pretentiousness of being a marketing ‘expert’! ๐Ÿ™‚ (I’ll try to finf the link if you’re keen to follow up on this.)

            At the end of the day, Chris, it’s simply a numbers game, and how to go about increasing those numbers, while making maximum advantage of the ‘inter-connectivity’ out there!

            I recall working directly with Lana, when she was looking for a ‘brand name’ for this group. The suggestions I made were, looked at, however, the concept of MS2 was favored and settled for.
            I must say …. it was a good choice, and rolls of the tongue quite easily.

            After this rather long brief, I hope you simply get that I am totally in favor of developing ORIGINAL, positive, high impact approaches, along the lines of those discussed above.

            Ps, It’s ALL about getting noticed, and absorbed QUICKLY!
            (The talent to accomplish this, is out there, btw!)

            Do you get me, Chris?

            • I watched the video of Geir Isene. Brilliant in so many ways but he seems to have gotten hung up on and not recognize the difference between “evolving [LRH] material” (his words) and adapting source material to handle an evolving world. Nothing a good Cramming cycle couldn’t handle.

              • PZ,

                I agree.

                “Nothing a good Cramming cycle couldnโ€™t handle.”

                Regarding Geir.

                As far as the whole Mad Man thang. I had my trepidations after I saw what happened after Hill & Knowlton took over the account for a while and began working on making “Scientology Mainstream”.

                Reminded me of Walbler Madman Madison in Mission Earth.

                Personally I think we’ve got the best PR and Marketing Tech. All that has to be done as with the tech in general is to apply it before trying something “new”.

                For instance years ago. There was this whole “broken brand” debate whereas the idea was that instead of correcting the Church which is currently responsible for dragging the Scientology name through the mud its proponents suggested changing the name which was as far as I’m concerned is just a lousy Q&A.

                Not to mention a suppressive act.

              • “Nothing a good Cramming cycle couldnโ€™t handle.”

                Yup. And Ethics as required. Good observation, Bruce.

                • Likely some ethics too, yes. It always amazes me to listen to Ex’s go on about different ways to freedom. But here Geir specifically credits OT II. Oh yeah!!!??? How many other of these ways to freedom walk you across the R6 Bank and then…, oh my!

              • Bruce:

                โ€œWhen you want results you had better use standard techniques and procedures. Most clearing โ€œfailuresโ€ are caused by use of non-standard techniques and procedures. Also, such failures can be caused by ignorance. An auditor thinks he is using standard material. He isnโ€™t sufficiently trained to know.

                You see, there is a thing called Scientology. It has axioms. It has principles. It has the goal of empowering a thetan to overcome his own problems. This standard Scientology we donโ€™t change every day. The uninformed, not knowing that a standard exists see in each new release a new subject. So they say, โ€œWhy donโ€™t I experiment on my pcs?โ€ And they experiment with the standard background, not with a further reach of old, tried, principles.

                Without a guiding central organization Scientology would fall into an anarchy of opinions in a week for there are too many who can go through the motions of auditing who do not know their basics. They think a new thing, Scientology, is an experimental thing. It is not. The basics are inflexible and have been for years.

                We know now just exactly what clears people. And we know exactly what a clear is. And we know exactly how to train and process. These are hard won riches. Donโ€™t waste them and your time, too.

                This is the way out! Are some people so fond of the trap they avoid the flaming beacons which show the entrance? Or are they afraid to set Man free?

                L. RON HUBBARDโ€ (Ability 76, ca. early June, 1958 โ€“ โ€œOffbeatโ€ Processing)

            • Thanks, Calvin. I think “good works, well promoted’ hits the mark. I find in my town that who I get to do something is mainly through word of mouth, and if not that, then I call and survey the various companies. The problem with that, though, is it’s localized. I imagine it can be done on a grander scale, like for a national chain, it’s word of mouth on service and product quality. So all auditors, EOs, cram offs, supervisors, all Scientologists being a shining example of what Scientology really is – and is about – aka, What We Expect of a Scientologist, I think that would have a tremendous impact. Robin mentioned a grassroots movement. this would be akin to that. But one has to keep the disciplines of Scientology in just as much as the tech. And if one has disagreements with the tech or Scientology philosophy, or with the old man, they need to get that sorted out. Otherwise there’ll always be a tarnish on their “armour” and the disciplines will not be present.

              “In order to make Scientology work, it is necessary to hold a standard and this standard must be held very relentlessly. And unless all the actions and all the various techniques applied can be held to a standard of rendition, then Scientology doesn’t work; Scientology doesn’t work if it’s badly done. In other words, the disciplines of Scientology are fully as important as the thoughts or discoveries of Scientology.” LRH

              • Thanks for this, Chris. Just to let you know, I have regarded you, personally, as a “shining example”, since first encountering you, via your posts and pc. success stories. a relatively short time back. ๐Ÿ™‚

                And though I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments, the one thing that holds true for me, is the strength of the Axioms. Any one of which can stand alone under scrutiny, for workability!

                One could therefore, (for example), be a rank beginner in the subject (of Scn), know diddly-squat about high level training, yet be an accomplished “listener”, who is yet able to fully “duplicate” and be “there”, for the person in front of him, and thus get credible results, with his ‘entry-level’ technical skill. By definition, he gets results through his skill as an “auditor”, with very little else.

                And please don’t get me wrong, or mis-dup. my enormous regard for your polished, wearing of your highly trained Auditors/ C/S hats,
                when I say simply, that EVERY being, who intentionally uses the tech, (or without it, for that matter!) for the purpose to actually HELP another being, should be regarded as valuable, in the bigger scheme of things.

                At the end of the day, imho Chris, it’s the HELP that counts, my friend, do you agree? ๐Ÿ™‚

                • I understand you, Calvin. You’re correct that everyone ho is doing something to bring more sanity to the scene is helping. And you’re right re the Axioms. Fundamental truths. As they say, axiomatic!

                  Help is a vital component, that’s for sure. Not the only one, but a vital aspect of winning.

                  Cheers

        • RIB,

          From what I gather it would be almost sacrilege to say that the Internet’s capabilities are “overrated” yet there are even former nerds who basically agree with me:

          https://tropicaline.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/netdelusion.pdf

          http://www.amazon.com/The-Internet-Is-Not-Answer/dp/0802123139

          Also I tire of reading the meme that Ron never would have conceived something like the Internet.

          The fact is that Ron who wrote Science Fiction and hung out with other Science Fiction writers like Heinlein, Bradbury, Vogt et al was probably quite aware of extreme possibilities.

          And is also used as a justification for such idiocies as Skype “auditing”.

          They had similar means back then such as CCTV and the telephone yet there was no effort then to audit people via an electronic medium because it wasn’t *live* communication.

          Regarding Miscavige. As far as I’m concerned he is overrated as well since Scientology will only go as far as it works which as all there is to it and is communicated by word of mouth.

          Internet or no internet.

          • I’d just like to add. Since I was bit rushed on my last comment that the HCOB New Uses for the Book of Case Remedies and I believe is mentioned in RJ 68 that Ron basically says that disseminating Scientology is a very broad field and is only limited by one’s imagination.

            The internet is one avenue of many.

            Also I get tired of the whole idea that is promoted that Ron never predicted the internet.

            The computer series is very apt when you consider the fact that the internet allows one to share information.

            The problem being that a lot of the “information” being shared is in many cases is *false* or disinformation.

            • RV, I hate to correct you, but there is no HCOB titled “New Uses For The Book of Case Remedies”. I think you’re probably referring to HCOB 5 March 65 II, Book of Case Remedies Application of Tech”, and even then Ron doesn’t say quite what you’re inferring. Here is what he says:

              “A sure road to award and glory is to find a new application for an existing Scientology process or principle or book.

              The period of the discovery of principles, processes or original works is surely over as we have everything between the snake’s stomach and the high sky by way of natural laws. Inventing and using new processes is a sure way to slow down the advance. There were only so many anyway and it’s been done.

              But new ways to apply or disseminate what we’ve got are welcome, welcome, welcome. We’ve not nearly enough of those and we’ll be inventing or seeing them for the next umpty trillion years.

              So my hat is off to the HCO Area Sec Detroit, USA, who informed us via US Continental of a new use for The Book of Case Remedies for which she’ll receive a bow and appropriate award, to wit her DScn.”

              He then copies her report into the HCOB which tells of giving the BCR to someone ARCen with Scientology and asking them to find which remedy fit him. It was used as an ARCX Recovery tool. He does state that new ways to apply and disseminate the tech and processes are welcome. I don’t think, IMO, that he was referring here to how to communicate Scientology to the world, regardless of whether he foresaw the internet or not.

              However, social media right now would be a good way to communicate the Scientology philosophy and the true data about LRH. That, and good works of auditors like you and others.

              Cheers

              • Yeah it is.

                Just got two or more HCOBs confused ๐Ÿ˜‰

                “However, social media right now would be a good way to communicate the Scientology philosophy and the true data about LRH. That, and good works of auditors like you and others.”

                Personally I gave up on (anti) social media and its evil emperor Zuckerberg.

                Took me 3 weeks to delete my FB page.

                Wouldn’t be so bad if was just an actual social medium and not a covert means of spying on people by corporations and government or do I repeat myself.

                • You may have given up on it, but billions of others haven’t. So social media could be a constructive way of reaching people.

                  Besides, as Ron said once, no one needs to be hidden (something along those lines). ๐Ÿ˜‰

                  • Chris,

                    I wouldn’t consider Social Media especially FB a “Safe Point” per the policy by that name in the PR series.

                    Just as ARS wasn’t back in its day.

                    Better to have one’s own website or blog that one can control like for example MS2 then leave it under the control of some nut case like Zuckerberg and his buddies in the National Security apparatus and Corporatist Media.

                    No one’s “hiding”. Avoiding probably would be more apt.

                    • Not really speaking to that PL, Robin. Just mentioning that there are billions who use social media and it’s an accepted proven method of reaching people with a product. And you don’t have to do FB and one doesn’t have to like or not like the Big Zubrowski. There’s also Twitter and Instagram and other social media, as well as FB. And one can control posts and content, and if not, one needs to get their TRs in when dealing with the rabble of the world.

                      And f*ck all the connections and that crap. ๐Ÿ˜‰ You haven’t lived before? LOL

          • Depends on who they’re overrated for, eh? Personally, I think it’s set for the future, but for what purposes.

            See: Unrestricted Warfare, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui.

            • Yes some choice quotes:

              The pessimistic viewpoint is that, if this technology develops in a direction which cannot be controlled by man, ultimately it will turn mankind into its victim [4]. However, this frightening conclusion is totally incapable of reducing people’s ardor for it. The optimistic prospects that it displays itself are intensely seductive for mankind, which has a thirst for technical progress. After all, its unique features of exchanging and sharing represent the light of intelligence which we can hope will lead mankind out of the barbarism of technology, although this is still not sufficient to make us like those futurists who cannot see the forest for the trees, and who use its name to label the entire age.

              and

              Over the past 300 years, people have long since become accustomed to blindly falling in love with the new and discarding the old in the realm of technology, and the endless pursuit of new technology has become a panacea to resolve all the difficult questions of existence. Infatuated with it, people have gradually gone astray. Just as one will often commit ten other mistakes to cover up one, to solve one difficult problem people do not hesitate to bring ten more on themselves [5]. For example, for a more convenient means of transportation, people invented cars, but a long string of problems followed closely on the heels of the automobile — mining and smelting, mechanical processing, oil extraction, rubber refining, and road-building, etc., which in turn required a long string of technical means to solve, until ultimately it led to pollution of the environment, destroying resources, taking over farmland, traffic accidents, and a host of thornier problems.

              Especially in light of what Ron says about problems and solution and how “solutions” eventually become problems.

              Anyway an interesting read ๐Ÿ˜‰

              http://www.terrorism.com/documents/unrestricted.pdf

              • You got it, buddy. What I’m always amazed at is house prescient these “sci-fi” writers were in predicting the future, like Heinlein, Bradbury, Wells, Huxley, Verne, Asimov, and of course, LRH. Scary how well they parsed the future! Yoiks!

                • Ya got that big guy ๐Ÿ˜‰

                  Regarding social media and such.

                  Actually for all the time I’ve been on the web the majority of my PCs have come to me by personal referral.

                  In other words it’s not a total waste of time ๐Ÿ™‚

                  • RV: “the majority of my PCs have come to me by personal referral.”

                    I see that, and have heard it from others; however, I’ve found that having a presence, at least people know I’m here, or exist. Mine have been about a 50/50 split between word-of-mouth and web presence. But, you live in a larger confluence of ex-CoSers and field Scientologists, as well as you’ve been at it longer than I have in the field, either under the CoS umbrella or independent. Trey Lotz has tons of clients, but he’s been a top field auditor for decades. I’m sure most of his clientele comes from referral or word-of-mouth, but I know some also come from his presence on the web. It’s an interesting game these days, for sure.

                    • I agree a web presence is important these days but that doesn’t limit one’s options to Failbook or any other media that has been hijacked (like our Church for example) by some vested interest.

                      One can put up a website or write a blog. Even contribute to some alternative media source that isn’t under the control of the Mainstream Media.

                      Also affiliating with groups who have the same objectives as discussed here:

                      HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
                      HCO POLICY LETTER OF 3 FEBRUARY 1969
                      Remirneo Guardian’s Hat
                      PUBLIC IMAGE
                      For a long while we have not had an exactly stated policy on building a public image. We have just been ourselves and done our jobs and hoped somebody would catch on. This is basically what protected us. And we should keep doing it.
                      But the time has come to also build a public image as an outflow publicity action.
                      The image is SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CLEANING UP THE FIELD OF MENTAL HEALING AND EFFECTIVELY HANDLING MENTAL HEALTH ON THE PLANET.
                      Note that it is dual. We will handle the first part of it first, “cleaning up the field of mental healing”. It is a dirty inhuman rotten field, full of graft, misappropriation, phoney authoritarianism and betrayal. Because it is like this we get a back flash from it. We are the only ones in it who have clean hands and effective technology. So we have no choice but to NOISILY clean it up. That builds that much of the image. By uniting with other civic, humanitarian and civil and human rights groups we can make an organized progress.
                      For the second part, we are already doing it to a degree. “Effectively handling mental healing on the planet” is what we are being effective in doing. But we didn’t make enough public image with it. We keep building the image to Scientologists. We must study how to do it outside.
                      We have clean hands. We are effective, We dedicatedly do our jobs well. We must keep on doing this.
                      But we have to find more PUBLIC ways to SAY so.
                      It would also be a good policy to have two PROs. One specializes and plans to clean up the field of mental healing and grabs allied organization support, holds committee meetings, works on crusades about it, gets close to top publishers and really scare heads the world or area about the abuses to human rights in the field.
                      The other PRO works to banner head the successes and the programmes to effectively handle mental healing on the planet. He also gets support from allied organizations (different than human rights attacks) like churches and gets a crusade going for handling all the mental healing problems, not just using Scientology.
                      In both instances you have to go civic, go outside Scientology, get support, organize committees, plot out campaigns, work for outside finance etc.
                      In handling the above Public Image policy, you don’t announce the policy. You use it for a guide to keep pounding variations of the same message.
                      The policy is expressed in community action, well press covered, not just in statements. Committee meetings, deputations, picketing, big names, events.
                      You figure out the story that will be written, then do it, seeing it gets covered by having the press to hand.
                      Make all issues hot, exciting, brutal or sensational. Go strictly circus in the type of message.
                      You can and must ally with real humanitarian and civil rights groups (getting press coverage for every such contact).
                      You can and must approach governors, parliamentary committees, big names, big activities and get press coverage for every contact.
                      Sen speakers must address groups and say the story which is to appear, not just talk about Scn.
                      Plan a programme, let it run awhile. The programme is based on the policy which is the Major Target-to make that Public image. When that programme damps out, get a new programme. It takes a while to beat a programme into the public mind. They last a few months.
                      This is almost standard PRO work. The press prints “hard” new& Hard news is an event, a meeting, the formation of something, an attack, a campaign. It is not a statement.
                      You can and must seize the attention of the press in your area, not to defend Sen, but to hammer home the above Public Image by forwarding crusades and campaigns that carry the message. Then providing events of your own manufacture. Then seeing they get reported in the Press, on radio and TV.
                      Don’t defend Sen, attack bad conditions and bad hats.
                      It is a dismal flub to force a parliament to consider a bill outlawing psychiatry and then provide no other event about it or press coverage. It has to be planned, targeted. You have to have other groups start talking, public meetings, a deputation to the governor.
                      Build up Scri celebrities that can speak and meet the public in your area. And in doing all this don’t tear up the Scn Org or distract it too much or you will not have any money to do the job with. You will have lost what you’re trying to save,
                      PRO is an energetic, imaginative fiery-eyed function. It has to be hot-hot on getting compliance, scheduling and events.
                      PRO should know all about Targets, Dev T, and this Pol Ltr.
                      Scn has been the object of enemy PRO campaigns of a professional level for years. Study if you like the stunts
                      he pulled. How did he do it? Just by using names, connections and press. So reverse the action. Do it far better.
                      Our end product is a sane planet. His was a dead one. So with all the theta in our lines and purpose, Sen PRO to
                      the PUBLIC can be ten thousand times as effective and worthwhile.
                      This public image can and must be built if this planet is to survive at all.
                      L. RON HUBBARD Founder
                      LRH:sdp.ei.cdon Copyright @ 1969 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

                    • Of course there are other avenues, and yes, a blog is a good approach. However, that’s for let’s say, a group or an individual practitioner. I thought the discussion was on how to reach the masses, the millions and more. A blog won’t cut the mustard there. At least, not the blogs I’ve looked at that are about Scientology.

                      As to that PL, that may be the image we’re to portray, but I’d be interested in how far of an inroad we’ve made there. As far as I know, there’s still lobotomies and ECT performed and more and more people on psych drugs and more and more mental “diseases” listed in their compendium for which more and more drugs can be prescribed.

                      And with the CoS pretty well dead as far as it’s original purpose in society, especially as it’s being run by DM regardless of who’s orchestrating it, with it gone, there aren’t a lot of groups left to align ourselves with that will have a great impact. Not unless the independent field can band together and challenge the “mother church” and form its own reformist church. Or whatever. It’s going to be dark no matter which way you cut it. IMO.

                    • “I thought the discussion was on how to reach the masses, the millions and more.”

                      Personally I have a problem with the word “masses” unless it is used in the context of unwanted mental phenomenon i.e. GPM etc. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      That was a word that Miscavige probably assisted by Sherman began mouthing off after his contact with Gray over at H&K.

                      Actually if you look at the PR Series we are dealing with different “publics” and their “opinion leaders”.

                      Personally I think the concept of “masses” is used by elitists who like to consider themselves superior to the average crowd.

                      I think if one wanted to broadly disseminate Scientology. One would have to apply the data in the afore mentioned PR Series, the Marketing Series and contained in the PAB Open Channel.

                      Also there is the liability of massive dissemination Ron discusses in Scientology Review.

                      Right now we are hardly at the point where we can handle masses of people without getting totally overwhelmed.

                      Thus is my opinion I think our first target should be cleaning up this muddy ARCxn Field that has been bequeathed to us by whoever is running the Church these days and then eventually demanding reform of the Organization before we shove down the throttle on mass dissemination.

                      Just my POV on the matter.

                    • Sounds like you may have a rejected definition here in regards “the masses”, RV. I’m referring to the populace, the ordinary people, the greater majority as opposed to the minority elite. It’s a common enough word, an English word, not technical. The original article was about communicating broadly to people, informing them what the true Scientology philosophy is all about. Blogs don’t do that, and in fact, they seem to be black holes for natter and entheta, in the main, present blog (and a few others) excepted. So, while we must also clean up the ARCXen field – if it wants it – we also have to continue to disseminate to broad public. How it’s done, well, that’s what this discussion is about. And some good ideas have been proffered. Just my view on it.

                    • Chris,

                      Really I was yanking your chain on masses ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Though I’ve found those who most commonly use the word are the Rockefeller elitists and the limo liberal types.

                      You could say the word used in that context has earned contempt for me by its invidious connections.

                      I also tend to agree with you regarding blogs three out the four biggest blogs (which includes us) regarding Scn are nothing but seething,venomous snake pits of BPC and natter and that is just their plus points ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      You’re right big guy. We have to present Scn to the public somehow.

                      Way back one good idea was setting up a Scientology radio station.

                      Another one was Ron thought of and that was using a vehicle like Freedom Magazine to do real investigative journalism.

                      There was getting artists like Ingo Swann, the Incredible String Band, Chick and Return Forever to promote Scientology concepts.

                      Problem was that these very valid means of dissemination were coopted and perverted.

                      Seems there is a double edged sword to doing this sort of thing.

                      Aside from Freedom back in the day when the GO handled PR they also had a publication called Good News.

                      Looking at the entheta in the Mainstream and alt press. We could sure use some of that fer sure.

                      Anyway as far as reaching the broad public. As Ron says somewhere that is limited by our imagination.

                      Like I suggested a while back. We should do a book, movie or media review on this site or some other which handled current trends. Not just Scientology but of other things as well from a Scientology perspective.

                      Anyway over to you.

                    • Hey, I’ll just have my butler tell the doorman to have my chauffeur fetch the black…no gray…no white limo from the livery and bring it to the west gate of the grounds. Yup. And since i hold everything from above, I’ll just better be going and getting it done!

                      The radio station sounds like a helluva concept. The CoS couldn’t trounce on it for discussing the philosophy nor critiquing the current state of affairs of the CoS and its management. Even an hour program on NPR or many times universities allow for talk or music shows free. I think it might have traction.

                      But aside from that, continually pushing LRH standard tech and standard admin and ethics in all areas will push the word out there.

                    • The neat thing about the ‘net these days is that one can create their own radio station and post it on the web without FCC approval,

                      https://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/

                      The main problem is getting relevant programming together.

                      Some time back someone posted the link to Standard Tech radio on Marty’s blog but it never took off.

                      I’m sure if we had the time and the inclination we could put something together.

                      Another idea is a news magazine of some kind covering current events like the following:

                      http://antiwar.com

                      Note on the left the news is scraped from various sources and on the left are all the columnists who comment on the news.

                      Anyway just some ideas.

                    • Takes a lot of work, daily work, to make it happen. Needs a group of people. Most things to succeed on a large scale require group involvement. I can see that doing something like this would be a big commitment, a large undertaking.

                      Good ideas.

              • Re problems ad solutions, exactly, Robin. So I guess we create our own convoluted and chaotic future. Good thing there’s now a tech to unravel it and end the endless cycle. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                • Of course we do along with others which is why there are various flows as covered in C/S Series 37R.

                  True fortunately we do have the tech to unravel it. Unfortunately we no longer really have an Organization with any PR Area Control to speak of.

                  Worse one that is working contrary to to stated aims of Scientology.

                  • Right, so maybe time to let that behemoth go and create something anew, like you mentioned, a whole new grassroots movement. ๐Ÿ™‚

                    • The question is:

                      Where exactly is it going to go?

                      Unfortunately like some retarded nephew we are going to have to take responsibility for it a some point ๐Ÿ˜‰

                    • I think we already are taking responsibility for it, Robin. Otherwise you or me or Lana or the many good souls here wouldn’t be here, wouldn’t be talking about it, and wouldn’t be doing something about it. ๐Ÿ™‚

                  • We still have an organization there and as LRH says, the world can change on an idea.

                    I was watching an interview regarding the film Going Clear with an ex staff, politician and jounalist the other day and it struck me that we all want the same thing. Barring an actual sp and his actions. We all want the church to clean up its act. We on this blog want it to get back on policy and purpose with Service again being the priority. The ex wants and deserves justice, the politician appeared to be there to support those who have been abused. There simply were not enough people there, to be there for the votes. The same with the jounalist, sure he has done stories on the abuse but to me he seemed way to invested in it for just journalistic reasons, he seemed to actually care. Finally, the majority of the current staff are there to follow LRH tech/policy which would result in what all the above want.

                    Sure some of them think alot of Scn is bunk, but thats ok, its our religion, and we are entitled to believe what we like in this Society at this time. This right may change or be watered down over time with leaders like dave around.

                    Bruce is right, it is about communication. The antis go about it in the wrong way, they just sโ€”t on the tech and Ron etc, as Scns we immediately shut down when we hear that stuff. They immediately ridge on us, so we just ridge right back and it becomes a ridgefest. What communicates to us, and should to those still in, is the obvious abuse of Tech, Ethics and Admin Pls. This should be the main communication between those out, to those still in.

                    So Bruce to answer your question for myself. A pack listing the abuse of Tech and Policy with the relevant Pl and HCOB. Something put together really well, that communicates, and then find a commline in and just leave it for them to read with a safe terminal they could communicate to. Look what Debbie Cooks email did. That was a successful action, if ever I saw one.

                    I think we need orgs, and that they can operate well and be there for the people.

                    • “…a ridgefest….”

                      Right up there with a beer fest and a ribfest. ๐Ÿ˜€

                      But hey, you’re totally right, 4a. Especially re the Debbie Cook letter. THAT had SERIOUS impact, using the internet to broadly communicate outnesses in the CoS. Too bad there weren’t a few others like that, but there are none left. DM has cleaned up and all that are left are the “Yes” men. :~

                    • This is a brilliant and obvious piece of solutions for the future. Will MS2 be willing to be IA? In a global reach of hat don’t hit, issue and promote a global checksheet of issues of how to go from here.

                      What would Ron do? Yeah, that question asks a lot from all of us.

                    • What would Ron do?

                      Good question PZ.

                      Actually some of know what Ron did when the BOD led by Joe Winter and then later when Don Purcel seized control of his copyrights.

                      He packed up and headed to Phoenix Az.

                      What happened to Elizabeth and Wichita is briefly summarized in the PL Keeping Scientology Working.

                      Personally I think the only thing that has saved our asses out here is that we’ve managed somehow to keep those 10 points in.

                      Look at the Orgs right now being basically kept on life support with the “help” of a few rich patrons and an endorsement by the IRS.

                      Very little training and processing is going on. At least up the Grade Chart.

                      The intel I got indicates that ASHO is no longer delivering the SHSBC and AO stopped delivering Class VIII years ago.

                      Also hardly anyone over there is doing any Academy Training. Either because they are forced to do “The Basics” first or have to redo the Student Hat under GAT II.

                      On the processing side. Seems everybody there has to do the Purif and Objectives again no matter what level of the Grade Chart they obtained prior to getting the “Super Power” Implant which includes spinning chairs developed by their project paper clip “friends” over at NASA and moving screens.

                    • Personally, I don’t think KSW is in out here at all. Yep, there are a few, both on the web and some who aren’t, who practice standard tech, ethics and policy and who keep Scientology working; but in the main, I’d have to say it’s a wild, wild west dog-and-pony show out here. KSW is a doorstop for many, keeping the door open as a means to squirrel or “improve” and “evolve” the tech. Also, on this “intel”, that’s been known about for quite some time, and nothing’s changed, on the inside or the outside. So, you have a “church” that’s moved over to the dark side ruled by a fanatic, and on the other side, you have a free-for-all with holes being shot in the tech, the policy, ethics, and in LRH, and if one steps up to defend it, it’s like horde of fire ants come to devour one. It’s like LRH said:

                      “Without a guiding central organization Scientology would fall into an anarchy of opinions in a week for there are too many who can go through the motions of auditing who do not know their basics. They think a new thing, Scientology, is an experimental thing. It is not. The basics are inflexible and have been for years.” (Ability 76, Offbeat Processing)

                      Outside of a few bastions of sanity and standard tech, that’s the current scene. Yup, hell on Earth.

                    • I said that the only thing saving our asses in general for auditors auditing is KSW.

                      I’ve seen with the squirrels fade in and out. Just as Ron said they would in Vital Data on Promotion.

                      Hands up for anyone there who’s heard of Amprinistics, Knowlegism, Dianology, Idenitics, etc, etc.

                      The only reason the Church is still going in my opinion is that it has been granted false legitimacy by the USG.

                      How long do you think it would last if the IRS pulled its 501ciii status?

                      The only thing that is keeping it on life support as I wrote earlier is Tax Exempt donations given to Ideal Orgs, IAS, Library Projects, etc.

                      What would happen if Dave’s “friends” were no longer friendly?

                    • RV: “The only reason the Church is still going in my opinion is that it has been granted false legitimacy by the USG.”

                      I disagree. I believe it’s also that there is still “Scientology” in the CoS, although some of it bastardized, and surrounded by off-policy and other-purpose. But there’s still Scientology there, and it works, even with all the crap around it. IMO, I think you give too much credence to the USG and IRS.

                    • All you have to do is just check the stats and find that most of their income comes from donations to the IAS which has increased since the Church regained its Tax Exempt status under the “Secret Closing Agreement” of 1993.

                      While at the same time money paid to training, auditing and other Scientology services has been declining since the late 80’s.

                      While refunds and RAPs are at an all time high.

                      The policy that applies to services such as auditing and training doesn’t apply to memberships and other donations.

                      So by actual examination of their stats IRC 501 Ciii does influence the Orgs quite a bit and is probably a key reason why they’d divert funds for services to what are called “straight donations” since they are *non refundable*.

                      BTW I’m not the only one who felt that the USG directly affected the Organization. Ron himself was concerned with it when he issued Politics; Freedom From and followed on that with the Snow White Program.

                      Also you will note that many of the publications that are generating the most Black Propaganda about Scientology have intelligence connections.

                      Of course Miscavige is either wittingly or unwittingly assisting this operation by his inept management of the Organization but as I’ve written many times the picture is much broader then one raving megalomanic SP.

                      The fact is if the Organization was forced to rely on delivering services as its supposed to according to policy and not have to rely on the donations of their rich patronage many who themselves have some interesting connections that would make them Illegal PCs per policy. It would have long since declared bankruptcy or have gone into receivership.

                      There is the old adage that the FBI uses that says “follow the money”. We can add as well follow the stats which have been a continual GI push for over two decades.

  7. Recent comments have posed this question for me: How would a political pshrink (APA) answer the questions from the original post?

    Bruce Clark (without an “e”)

  8. I love “Nature and formation of the GPM”.
    It also says on the bulletin that people believe scientologist are up to some evil as they identify scientology with implanting, when actually it’s undoing the implant.

    Miscavige brand of scientology is “out valence in R6”. They are in the valence of those who performed the implant. They are very low on the tone scale, and want to control any being, to enslave them.
    This become the perception of the society regarding scientology.

    We have to relenlessly supress Miscavige to total obliteration. This is ethics, and ethics is before tech. We have a very low condition not to have fire this boy, since the very first minute he appears.

    Nazi Germany vanished with Hitler, German started to return in valence. And there was Nuremberg and other trial to finally save the soul of Germany.

    For scientology to be restored, ethics and justice must occur. Miscavige must be exposed and sentenced.

    Those who target Hubbard as a kind of implanter are terribly mistaken.

    • FG,

      I wouldn’t necessarily call it Miscavige’s brand of “Scientology” or even Scientology for that matter. I’d call it what it is and that is some form of Black Dianetics covered in the two PABs by that name.

      Basically Miscavige and who ever is advising and supporting him is running a confidence scam which is covered in the HCOPL Misrepresentation of Dianetics and Scientology.

      A total betrayal of what RTC was allegedly established to do which was to maintain the purity of the tech.

      Treason by any other name.

      • You’re right remoteviewed, what they do is no longer Scientology. Actually LRH described what is happening in “an essay on management”. Miscavige is an authoritarien personnality as described in this writing. People must be poorly educated on the subject of Scientology not to see what they have in front of them.

        • As a Cram Off it was impossible to ignore the squirrel orders and actions coming down from the very top. If any remain they must be total zombies by now.

        • FG,

          It may be that some are poorly educated. Others probably feel that the devil one does know is better then the devil one doesn’t.

          I try to avoid broadly categorizing or generalizing. Sometimes I fail ๐Ÿ˜‰

          An actual “why” is impossible to find without doing a full data series eval on the entire scene. Probably the reason why. Again which apply to some we don’t do that is because we’ve come to a modus vivendi with the Organization.

          Personally I’ve never been a big fan of Miscavige being the who and why or the only one in charge. As one can see from our political scene here in America. It isn’t really the President who is calling the shots and it hasn’t been for some time. If it ever was.

          No matter what you have to say about it. Miscavige wouldn’t be in the position he is in without support from some sector of the public or staff currently on Org lines. Not to mention possible other interests who have been working assiduously at unmocking Scientology.

          To them. An autocrat like Miscavige must be a god send.

          No longer do they have to work so hard discrediting Scientology since the Organization seems quite capable of doing it themselves ๐Ÿ˜‰

  9. Hi Lana. Following the interesting variety of articles, all of which are well thought out by your contributors, emphasizes just how vital a role you are collectively playing.

    Looking askance at the converse, that is, the degree to which there is such a ‘solid,’ (MEST, devoid of theta) deliberate destruction of Scn, taking place in many quarters, tells one it of utmost importance to address the points given by Bruce in this OP.

    I am quite sure you are only too well aware of the various ‘quarters’, involved, and have worked out your best strategies (policies) for dealing with them.– Probably based on tried and tested LRH solutions.

    However, I am looking forward to what you have come up with for ‘the future’. We all do recognize, (I hope) that we do need to step up to the challenge of becoming ‘relevant’, again, in this rapidly changing world, hey?

    Cheers, Calvin. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • “I am quite sure you are only too well aware of the various โ€˜quartersโ€™, involved, and have worked out your best strategies (policies) for dealing with them.โ€“ Probably based on tried and tested LRH solutions.
      However, I am looking forward to what you have come up with for โ€˜the futureโ€™. We all do recognize, (I hope) that we do need to step up to the challenge of becoming โ€˜relevantโ€™, again, in this rapidly changing world, hey?”

      RIB,

      Maybe it’s just me but I find these two paragraphs contradictory. Are you saying that the tried and true solutions which exist in various HCOBs, Policies and Directives that have been applied in the past wouldn’t work now?

      Pardon me I’ve always suspected those who suggest that we try something “new”. Especially when what has been successful in the past hasn’t been tried.

      As in handling cases on a first dynamic basis the “something new ” always tends to wind the case up in a ball.

      Skype “auditing” is a perfect example.

      Though I don’t consider myself any kind of policy maven of any kind. I can see how that datum and observation can be applied to the 3rd Dynamic as well.

      As far as I can see the Internet is just another communication medium.

      I know many are enamored by it which many were by the telegraph, telephone, TV etc before they became more of an annoyance and a distraction.

      Maybe in my opinion. It is more what works then something we can “all” agree on.

      Just my thought.

      • Sorry RV, But we’re NOT on the same page with this.

        Becoming ‘relevant’ again, certainly does not obviate any LRH!
        Nor did I imply that. I am merely re-asking the question of what thoughts, ideas, promotional concepts may be used, “within the framework” of a fast-paced world, to get the necessary attention, in showing how Scn can be demonstrated to be (sigh) ‘relevant’ again

        I tried to emphasize in the earlier comments, just how important it is to find the means, via the ‘hot-shot’ advertising and marketing gurus’ strategies, for example, that accomplishes that very feat, in a highly competitive marketplace out there.

        It is so appropriate to mention two earlier ‘gurus, who performed just such feats (from our midst) many years ago, Credit must go to Jeff Hawkins and Steve Hall, who created the formats for some amazing book booms.

        Getting in comm, (with what is /can work TODAY) required that we get off our preconceived, lazy, notions that it’s all been done before.

        Spend a little time actually watching some TV adverts, digesting the power of clever ‘hooks’ and their presentation/s, may yet help us to arrive on ‘the same page’.

        Get me on this, bro’ ? ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Roger that RIB,

          Actually I had the good fortune to work with Jeff at CMU for a short time. The guy was a real Powerhouse.

          Anyway I think his most successful ad was for Dianetics such as the following :

          Very simple but effective. So effective that it put DMSMH back on the NYT Bestsellers list.

          The backstory on this ad that I got from Jeff was it didn’t take that long to make but it had a lot of impact.

          More impact then some talking head going on and on and on like those Infomercials they used to run late at night when by then most people were in REM instead of watching TV.

          Don’t get me wrong I thought Mike Fairman was a great guy but the infomercials he did put me to sleep.

          The only problem with many these “marketing gurus” is that they are better at promoting themselves then their clients product.

          Jeff definitely wasn’t one of those. He knew marketing and PR tech.

          Same with Steve from what I understand.

          I also recommend when watching TV Ads that you have a copy of the policy on Positioning because as far as I can see most of these so called “gurus” haven’t got a clue.

          True many of these ads are catchy and some even have won awards but in many cases you can’t tell what they’re selling!

          • I’d just like to add something in regard to relevance.

            The problem with any mass media which includes the Internet is that it gives one a distorted perception of what is “relevant” and what isn’t.

            This is done with what is called “Perception Management”.

            Here is some background on the subject. Directly from the horse’s mouth:

            http://www.au.af.mil/info-ops/perception.htm

            There is also an excellent series on the subject of PR in general by the BBC (believe it or not)

            Like Ron says PR and any areas related to it can be like one of those cheap Spanish pistols that can blow up in one’s hand.

            • Totally, obviously. Of course, this could be – should be – said of any broad exposition of data. A few of the things that can be done to recognize and understand it: read broadly like LRH did (and not just Scientology/LRH books either, but BROADLY); do the Data Series Evaluators Course (this course should be mandatory for all C/Ses and execs, IMO); apply fundamentals like the Logics, Look Don’t Listen, the Axioms, study tech, etc. These will stand one in good stead and one will come to recognize true source of what is being proffered.

              • Yep Chris. We, RV, you & me seem to be on the same page with this. Though Ron also made it VERY clear, that he could ALWAYS do with more creative manpower and ideas on getting the word out there. That eval stands true, now, more than ever. ๐Ÿ™‚

                • I agree RIB. Ron has said that promoting Scientology is pretty wide open territory.

                  All kinds of ways it can be done like an area I’m sure you’re familiar with such as Motorcycle Racing and even training people how to ride which Keith Code does here in California.

                  Since we’re on the subject of Motorcycling. Their were many Scientologists who would help out at the Love Ride which was the biggest one day motorcycling event here in the US.

                  Also while we’re on the topic Arthur Hubbard, me and a few other Scientologists were members of ABATE which was a motorcyclist rights group here in California.

                  As Ron says in What We Expect of a Scientologist, Scientology Zone Plan, Open Channel etc. One gets involved in these groups and instead of promoting Scientology just do one’s job and people eventually they ask why one is doing whatever it is so well.

                  Of course back then we had relatively good cred and an organization at the time which delivered somewhat Standard Tech.

                  Unfortunately there is no way around (IMHO) eventually straightening up the Organization.

                  As far as I’m concerned it is the biggest block to dissemination.

                  • Is Keith still doing running that MC Racing school? Man, he must be an old man by now. Not that there’s anything wrong with that! lol

                    ABATE – anyone can join that. They’re across the US and in Canada as well. Not a big deal. As for the Love Ride, too bad Keith or some Scientology group doesn’t sponsor it. I see more press on the Hells Angels doing good works and rides than Scientologists. But I could see if one got industrious, one could make LRH’s good works well known easily enough.

                    But yeh, DM and his programs and policies on the tech and the CoS are certainly stumbling blocks to dissem right now. Yoiks!

                    • Not a big deal unless you had the ear of the Prez and founder Deacon Dave Phillips ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Keith from what I understand has others doing the riding and instruction but its still his show.

                      Haven’t been “in the life” for years but I know we had some powerful contacts in the Motorcyclist community including Jay Leno.

                      Personally I try to avoid granting any power to the lil’ rodent and I feel there is plenty of blame to go around regarding the current condition of the Church which as a group is in *treason*.

                    • Yeh, Jay Leno is Grand Marshall for the Love Ride this year. A good thing, for sure.

                      Yup, DM and RM and DM and NS and others can all share that blame.

                    • Yeh I think Jay’s done practically every Love Ride.

                      Also Peter Fonda has done a few as well and so the ‘Nam vets had to keep the rhetoric down about what a traitorous b_ his sister Jane was ๐Ÿ˜‰

                    • Yeh, Peter’s an honary Marshall this year, I think. He’s cool. He was in the movie Ghostrider with Cage and the bike was quite similar to the one in Easy Rider with Dennis Hopper.

                      As to Jane, she was great in Barbarella. And politics is just a viewpoint. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                    • Loved Barbarella ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Jane was a pretty hot babe at one time.

                      As far as ‘Nam is concerned. I left out my personal feelings about it when I rode with any vets.

                  • ๐Ÿ™‚ Heeey! Now you talkin’, bro!

                    Yep, It’s a great way to get some attention, and get people interested, fo sho’!

                    Let me just say in the same breath, that I certainly would not be so stupid as to put any ‘bright ideas’ for getting world wide attention, down on a blog, (or any other social media, for that matter!)

                    That would be literally be inviting someone else to ‘steal your thunder’, so as a practicing artist, inventor, and ‘go to guy’ for ideas, these would always be kept totally under wraps, until launch day. That’s mandatory, if you want to pack a punch, Bruno! ๐Ÿ™‚

                    • Roger that RIB.

                      Just sayin’ that Scientology and Dianetics can be presented in practically any area of interest whether its Motorcycling, Classic Cars, Sunday Brunches, Book Clubs, Astronomy Clubs, Occupy Wall Street whatever ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Milton Katselas ran a successful acting school for years using Scientology.

                      There’s no limit.

              • I’d also like the add the False Data HCOB which covers false sources of information.

                Problem with PR is that it was developed by Eddy Benays who as we know was Freud’s nephew. So a lot of it is oriented to the Libido Theory i.e. “sex sells” but then again not always and it also depends what you’re selling.

                Another problem is that a lot of advertisers lie about their products and what they can and can not do. Despite laws directed toward truth in advertising which “works” until the customer or consumer finds out the truth.

                A good thing which automotive and motorcycle dealers do is offer test rides. Others offer a trial period or a full refund if the person is dissatisfied.

                As far as Scientology is concerned. I think the individual approach works best as covered in the Dissem Drill.

                Mass promotion should be reserved for real *basic*(as in DMSMH, EOS, POW,FOT, NSOL,) books (especially DMSMH which is mentioned 50 xs in Books are Dissemination) on the subject or public courses like the Personal Efficiency Course or the Comm Course or some other public course that addresses some broad ruin.

                The problem with Scientology is there are so many different levels that you have to break down the public into different categories starting with those who bought a book to those who has done its highest levels which shows the idiocy of this current “Basics” campaign since it contains books and lectures such as the PDC, the Phoenix Lectures, Scientology 88 etc which are beyond the average person’s level of understanding.

  10. Well thanks guys. We certainly got some good TA on this latest round of questions, hey? LOL ๐Ÿ™‚

    However, perhaps we may have missed answering the ‘burning one’ altogether.?

    I’ll rephrase it slightly, then: How do we go about becoming ‘relevant’ again, in a rapidly changing world? (The key-point being ‘relevant’.)

    I hope you will concede that ‘duplication’ of the realities out there, (and in here!) speak VOLUMES as to whether we are actually ‘in comm’, with peoples’ REALITIES at all?

    To emphasize the point, let’s refer directly to the Ol’ man’s Video on the “Classification, Gradation and Awareness Chart”:

    (Paraphrased here);– ….”It’s not what you ‘can see’ he’s aware of, it’s what HE, as a being, is aware of … THAT’s his level of awareness!” (his reality)

    Are WE listening here?

      • My answer to your question RIB is contained in the following Policy Letter:

        HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
        Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
        HCO POLICY LETTER OF 26 MAY1961 (Reissued on 21 June1967)

        A MESSAGE TOTHE EXECUTIVE SECRETARIES AND ALL ORG STAFF

        QUALITY COUNTS

        Clearing is now in the reach of every Scientologist.

        Excellent Auditor training is now in the reach of every Academy.

        And these are the only things in the long run that will count.

        When I see an Organization staff panting after newspaper publicity or going mad on the subject of dissemination, and at the same time turning in to me bad results and poor student quality, I know somebody has their targets mixed up.

        Quality is the only thing that counts. If quality in training and processing is not given first rank and constant priority by Secretaries or Executive Secretaries, then all the administration in the world will not make the grade for any Central Org.

        Deliver the goods. That’s a crude way to put it. But if you want a new and better civilization you won’t get it by advertising or worrying what people think of you. You will get it only by releasing and clearing people and sending them out into the society to get the show on the road in all branches of human activity, including Scientology.

        I know we have been a long time without clearing people. But we’re clearing them now. What does it take to clear people? It takes highly skilled and tightly supervised auditing. It takes good technology. It takes good technical application. ‘ ‘

        If you’ll forget about how easy it is to mob students all up in a class and actually confront each student as an individual, make sure he knows every essential step he has to know, make sure all his questions get answered, you’ll have auditors that call audit.

        Will you please put attention on raising technical skill in the HGC, releasing people, clearing people, and on the quality of training in the Academy to the end of getting every student capable of all the steps necessary to release people.

        I have made the grade technically in the field of research. Now it’s time to drop all the booboo’s and nonsense. All you have to do in an Org is release and clear people and turn out auditors who can release people and keep in contact with the public and treat them well and you’re over the top.

        This morning I received a cable from an Org. An urgent cable. Did it say, “How do you assess for a Pro-Hav level” or something sensible? No, it didn’t. It said, “Send us some biographical data for a newspaper article.” I spit. That Org is doing the lousiest job possible in Technical and is all worked up to get publicity. What’s this? Do they think a society in this shape will approve Scientology into power? Hell no! And to hell with this society. We’re making a new one. So let’s skip the approval button from a lot of wogs and settle down to work to make new people and better people. Then maybe you’ll have a society.

        Right here and right now this policy is laid down in concrete with an atomic branding iron.. THE FIRST AND PRIMARY GOAL OF AN ORGANIZATION IS DELIVERING THE FOREMOST TECHNICAL QUALITY THAT CAN BE DELIVERED IN ITS AREA.

        All right. I’ve made my technical target bang in the bull’s eye. You can release and clear. You can train auditors well. Well, Christ! Let’s do it, do it, do it!

        L. RON HUBBARD Founder
        LRH:ph.jp.rd
        CopyrightQ1961, 1967
        by L.Ron Hubbard
        ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

    • Calvin,
      One can match a Tone or go lower or higher. If the R of the person is say “I’m a meat body. I live once. My brain is brain” then matching that Reality isn’t going to get anyplace.

      Effective comm is what you are saying, I think. Not just “ARC”. It’s not that ARC is bad, but ARC with low tone beings…(from AP&A).

      Another way to view it is as an art – and art sets a new reality.

      Scientology is practiced in a world of one-lifers, agree-ers, “middle class” in the Western culture. ARC with that at that Tone Level is going to be utterly useless in the scheme of things.

      I think it’s appropriate to raise the R level, with A and effective C.

      How?

      By applying Scientology auditing in a standard manner to results. That is the bottom line. KSW is how it’s done. If that isn’t in, then it isn’t actually done.

      • I agree Jim.

        Personally I think one of the things that got us in trouble way back was to make “Scientology Mainstream” or by trying to gain “acceptance” which I believe is one of the reasons so many are buying into this “Ideal Org” money laundering scam.

        They think by putting up these ostentatious edifices it will attract to “right” kinda people to Scientology.

        What it’s basically attracted are a bunch of elitist who look at Scientology as a tax write off and the deluded types who believe that if they Solo enough NOTs that the world will somehow magically change before their eyes.

        “Led” by some guy who couldn’t find his way to the rest room.

        • “…the deluded types who believe that if they Solo enough NOTs that the world will somehow magically change before their eyes.”

          Isn’t that how Ron envisioned “clearing the planet”, handling the 4th Dynamic engram on OT III? I guess I’m part of that deluded group, then, Robin, along with LRH. The only problem that thwarted it was altered tech, altered purpose, altered LRH. You see, auditing NOTs (solo or otherwise) does change conditions in the physical universe. That whole band can “magically change” the world. Just like any great movement can. And any inverse movement has.

          “The truth of the matter is (and philosophers have said this many times) that the only happiness you will ever find lies within you.

          Actually a little child derives all of his pleasure in life from the grace he puts upon life. He goes out in the morning and looks at the day. And it is a very, very beautiful day. He looks at the flowers and they are very beautiful. He waves a magic hand and brings all manner of interesting things into being in the environment. Do you see the magic of the morning and the beauty of the flowers? Too often when we have become adult the flowers are wilted, if we even see them, and the beauty of the morning is obscured by a cloud.

          Our attitude toward life makes every possible difference to our living. It is not necessary to study a thousand ancient books to discover this fact; but sometimes it needs to be pointed out again. Life does not change so much as our attitude towards it.”

          LRH (Journal of Scientology Issue 41-G, Is It Possible To Be Happy?)

          • As further examples, look how the SP RD works, and the EP of it; and Power, and how it can crack even the case of an SP; and XDN and FPRD. LRH tech – through and through – changes conditions on one’s dynamics and in the world around them. The world is in a heavy dramatization of various engrams and implants, especially the big one on the 4th dynamic. Audit that sufficiently (Ref: HCOB Handling with Auditing) and maybe things would magically change. That’s one of the main missions LRH had. So, just saying….

            • From what I understand Handling with Auditing applies to individual cases.

              Personally I’m not saying miracles can’t occur for instance the SP RD or running Problems of Comparable Magnitude in general on says the Atom Bomb as was done in the late ’50’s and I’d also like to note that despite the critics saying otherwise.

              I do believe that the release of OT VIII definitely had something to do with the fall of the Berlin Wall.

              That said the fact is that many if not most of the first OT VIIIs were in fact *auditor trained*.

              Unlike the current bunch of untrained status hungry by-passed cases who are now in the Church these days endlessly “‘auditing’ ‘the level'” who couldn’t even get a chameleon to change color in. Never mind getting some SP to change his mind.

              • “From what I understand Handling with Auditing applies to individual cases.”

                Pass. (But it still applies.)

                Anyway, yes, there is a difference between trained and untrained OTs. As you may recall, Betty Lunde, I believe the first OT VIII (public anyway, and from Vancouver), was also a Class VIII. I think training and OT have everything in common and one cannot achieve OT without becoming trained. That’s why I continually push training. I know of some who will not put a person on the OT levels until they are experienced NED auditors. I agree with that view. I also think that the best Bridge was when one had to be a Class VI/VII to move through R6EW and the CC and then onto the OT levels. You had real powerhouses then.

                By the way, what do you mean “endlessly auditing the level”? I know you’re referring to Solo NOTs, but what do you mean “endlessly”?

                As an aside, I doubt all are part of the “current bunch of untrained status hungry by-passed cases who are now in the Church these days”; got some BPC there? Don’t forget that we’re all in the same soup, perhaps different boats, but same soup. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                • Actually I get the mixed metaphor ๐Ÿ˜‰

                  However the fact is as I’ve said before. That many of these “False Threes” as they are called do more to discredit Scientology then all the bad press and media combined.

                • Oh BTW what I mean by “endlessly” is over three decades in many cases close to four on the same level.

                  NOTs like any other level has a definite *EP*.

                  Also as Ron says there are more levels above it. Not to mention others the ones already redacted from the current quickie Grade Chart promoted at the Orgs these days.

                  Ones that move one from Pre OT to actually operating thetan.

                  ๐Ÿ˜‰

                  • Oh by the way I was responding Jim before your straw man, additive
                    argumentum ad hominem as follows:

                    “We all have our delusions, eh, Robin? Only yours are much wilder and the stuff of sci-fi/fantasy grade B movies for late night TV. Still, thereโ€™s entertainment value in many things I guess.”

                    Since I never called *you* delusional. Just as I never would suggest one who entertained the idiotic notion that all one had to do was park their sorry ass in some nice safe auditing room and the world will magically change without being actively involved in changing things i.e. by actually *auditing* others or by other means is merely dramatizing Hallucinatory “Cause” (as covered in 0-8 Book of Basics) and is fact practicing some kind of New Age “philosophy” of some kind and *not* Scientology.

                  • The fact of more levels above what one is running (lower grades or upper grades) has nothng to do with EP, as Ron talks about in C/S
                    Series 7. The EP of a grade or action is reached when the purpose of the level is achieved as per C/S Series 6. Three to four decades might be a long time on the level, but then one would have to have the folders in hand to find out why so long “on” the level – i.e., were they off the level for years for some reason, not auditing it; were they on ethics actions for years; training or staff or something else? To assume otherwise is just that, an assumption.

                    • Put down that martini.

                      Sheesh.

                      Where did I say that the EP of NOTs had anything to do with the fact there are grades above it or grades below it?

                      I don’t know about you but I’d say 30 years is a long time on any level.

                    • RV: “Where did I say that the EP of NOTs had anything to do with the fact there are grades above it or grades below it?”

                      Answer:

                      RV: “NOTs like any other level has a definite *EP*. Also as Ron says there are more levels above it.”

                      I could have – should have – added the word “whether” to my comment in brackets – “(lower grades or upper grades)” – as I was just making an example, but I figured you’d be able to get it. I’ll make sure it’s clear from now on. But the point was that the EP is reached when the EP is reached. There could be many factors as to why one might be on it for that long (which is likely more an exception than the rule), such as out-ethics; lack of training (a major factor); joined the SO (joke); or even C/S Series 20:

                      “One day the pc comes into session with a dial-wide floating swinging F/N and anything you say or do does nothing whatever to disturb that F/N.

                      Itโ€™s a real Release man. It may last weeks, months, years.

                      Tell him to come back when he feels he needs some auditing and chalk up the remaining hours (if sold by the hour) as undelivered. Or if sold by result, chalk up the result.” LRH

                      “YEARS.” So maybe the corollary point is that one can’t assume or generalize as to the reason for how long something takes on a case.

                      However, I agree with the underlying assumption that the out-tech in the CoS and the constant re-dos and blanket C/Sing have blocked the Bridge and stymied freedom from doing the CoS Bridge. But I wouldn’t go so far as to say that the “current bunch” are “untrained status hungry by-passed cases who are now in the Church these days endlessly โ€œโ€˜auditingโ€™ โ€˜the level’โ€ who couldnโ€™t even get a chameleon to change color in.” I’d grant them a bit more beingness. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                    • Hey C/S Series 20 could apply in *some* cases. For instance I had a PC at AO who was so blown out on R2-12 that it took over 20 years to kill the FN but not the majority.

                      I mean if that were so. Nobody would be moving up the Grade Chart.

                      So it’s gotta be something else on the majority of cases that haven’t completed NOTs for whatever reasons.

                      A possibility could be lack of original OT VII which if you remember was used on those who had trouble getting the full EP of III.

                      Then of course there is the usual *out tech*, code breaks, arbitraries (like having to redo eligibility every 6 months) and injustices. Not to mention lack of training.

                      So maybe not all of them are a bunch โ€œuntrained status hungry by-passed cases who are now in the Church these days endlessly โ€œโ€˜auditingโ€™ โ€˜the levelโ€™โ€ who couldnโ€™t even get a chameleon to change color.โ€ ๐Ÿ™‚

                    • Agreed, RV. There may be a general “administrative why”, but each will have their own individual ethics and tech why. Of course, if someone is winning on the level and getting TA, then who’s to say that they should stop if they’re achieving the purpose of the level? But as you say, if there are all these other factors thrown in, they certainly can screw the pooch on moving on on the level. And the lack of OT VII and then IIIX may well contribute to it.

                      Btw, I know a well-trained, long-time Solo C/S who is happily auditing away on Solo NOTs, probably now well over 20 years.

                    • I totally agree. I mean if the guy’s winning it would be silly to take ’em off the level.

                      I’m mainly talking about those Pre OTs who have to drag their sorry asses into session under protest.

                    • Yep. A good C/S (i.e., standard), would take them off the level and find out what was going on if they had to drag themselves into session like that. That level is incredible! Should be no “dragging”. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                    • That’s the difference.

                      Someone like you or me would haul their sorry ass into review to find out WTF was going on?

                      Of course there’s the sad story of one Pre OT who should have been sent to a doctor and ended up dying of a heart attack in session.

                    • Guess they’ll be wrapping up that level in another life time ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Done went and done a bunk.

                      Oh well someone up the lines gonna pick ’em up on a 123 check or 40X.

              • RV: Unlike the current bunch of untrained status hungry by-passed cases who are now in the Church these days endlessly โ€œโ€˜auditingโ€™ โ€˜the level’โ€ who couldnโ€™t even get a chameleon to change color in.

                I doubt very much they would disagree with you if they could be sat down and enlightened. The pervasive and incessive gang-raping of wallets coupled with hamsterwheel altered tech retraining programs implemented by DM had led to this situation. I pity them.

                • “I doubt very much they would disagree with you if they could be sat down and enlightened.”

                  Personally I think they get on these upper levels so that they can dominate others and that it would require Grade IV fully flattened to EP and possibly as in more then likely a full FPRD to get them to the point where they can actually be enlightened.

                  “The pervasive and incessive gang-raping of wallets coupled with hamsterwheel altered tech retraining programs implemented by DM had led to this situation. I pity them.”

                  Can’t blame Dave for all of this. They have as much access to the actual Tech as we do. So there must be some agreement there. As well as A&C which puts them at about the same level or lower.

                  • Part of that domination is based on Marching Orders they got from DM/FSO to get 2 people onto Solo NOTs during their 6-months refreshers and the MAA will be checking for compliance. It’s somewhat very systematically. Those OTs who were offline were usually very relaxed with high ARC. The church has become such a pressure cooker and even OTs are not being themselves, but of the cold chrome steel beingness pervasive in the Sea Org. And of course some OTs were just plain a**h*les as they had always been since the day they came through the front doors.

                    • Our old dearly departed friend Amanda used to say that there was a a-hole stage of NOTs ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Guess some just never got through it ๐Ÿ™‚

                      Personally as in in my opinion if the Pre OTs who were on NOTs had put their collective feet down and demanded that the HCOBs regarding the non-interference zone were properly enforced insteada acting like a bunch of toasted marshmallows waiting for s’mores maybe Dastardly Dave mighta been scrubbing pots and pans in the galley.

                      Anyway I know for a fact that many cases who should have been handled per the PL on Enrollment in SP groups were allowed onto NOTs because they had a lot of bread.

                      Same with a buncha flush Illegal PCs and WISE Racketeers who were put on the level despite their various crimes and high crimes.

                      It shows just what happens when a criminal class is allowed to dominate the Organization.

                    • “Our old dearly departed friend Amanda used to say that there was a a-hole stage of NOTs ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Guess some just never got through it :)”

                      Yeh, well, that’s not true and is just some BS from some BSer.

                      “Personally as in in my opinion if the Pre OTs who were on NOTs had put their collective feet down and demanded that the HCOBs regarding the non-interference zone were properly enforced….”

                      They did. Many got declared or pulled off the level. Or sent to endless ethics. I know of many personally this happened to. I don’t think you really get this, Robin. It may be easy to say “this” or “that” should be done, but there are casualties in war. And these weren’t crims or “flush racketeers”.

                    • To paraphrase, “a cleared asshole is still a cleared asshole”. lol

                      I can’t believe they have those “orders”. Off-line. No wonder there’s the jitters and shakes and crap; hell, with all the BS that’s around this level in the CoS, I’d be so interiorized it would be hard for any “magic” or miracles to occur. No wonder.

                    • RV: Our old dearly departed friend Amanda used to say that there was a a-hole stage of NOTs

                      Yes, I have observed that. Mostly in the mid-80s through the early 90s … guys that ended up being recalled to AOs who were almost always found to be incomplete. Lots of them ripped off other people and created PR disasters for the church. I myself got questionable NOTs auditing from various sides around 2011/12 and I know firsthand the dastard effect it can leave on someone. Virtually anyone who received audited NOTs did not receive a full and comprehensive NOTs PTS handling before 1991. Wollerscheim also victim to such missing tech. Lots of catastrophes on the go around that time from these pre-OTs. Even some of us ‘under-some-rock’ PCs knew better than to associate with them, and the word got around.

                      Some NOTs material was not released until 1984, and yet some other stuff not until 1991. There was even Solo NOTs material esp. for C/Sing that did not see the dawn of day until after 1996 (Not GAT stuff). Pierre Ethier wrote a very accurate summary on it.

                      RV: Same with a buncha flush Illegal PCs and WISE Racketeers who were put on the level despite their various crimes and high crimes.

                      Obviously I don’t have knowledge of each and every case, instance or circumstance. I did however witness some real “On-NOTs” dirtbags taken to the sec check cleaners at FLAG and they were quite OK after.

                    • I’ve seen this happen at all levels of the Bridge, and especially at Clear. Just thinking of Vancouver, I can name ten people off the top of my head who were morally bereft of a proper ethics level. All was fine as long as they supported a spouse on staff or were patrons with honours.

                  • “Yes, I have observed that. Mostly in the mid-80s through the early 90s โ€ฆ guys that ended up being recalled to AOs who were almost always found to be incomplete. Lots of them ripped off other people and created PR disasters for the church. I myself got questionable NOTs auditing from various sides around 2011/12 and I know firsthand the dastard effect it can leave on someone. Virtually anyone who received audited NOTs did not receive a full and comprehensive NOTs PTS handling before 1991. Wollerscheim also victim to such missing tech. Lots of catastrophes on the go around that time from these pre-OTs. Even some of us โ€˜under-some-rockโ€™ PCs knew better than to associate with them, and the word got around.
                    Some NOTs material was not released until 1984, and yet some other stuff not until 1991. There was even Solo NOTs material esp. for C/Sing that did not see the dawn of day until after 1996 (Not GAT stuff). Pierre Ethier wrote a very accurate summary on it.”

                    Personally I thought the original NOTs Series that was mostly issued in 1978 to be pretty comprehensive.

                    Also I can’t imagine Ron withholding any data on C/Sing NOTs. From what I understand many of the original NOTs comps were originally C/Sed by him or at least he was involved in consulting with their C/Ses.

                    In my opinion a lot of the cases who were having trouble with NOTs had one thing in common.

                    Untrained.

                    “Obviously I donโ€™t have knowledge of each and every case, instance or circumstance. I did however witness some real โ€œOn-NOTsโ€ dirtbags taken to the sec check cleaners at FLAG and they were quite OK after.”

                    Knew one who was big into EST who had big bucks who managed to convince Senior HCO that EST was dissolved when in fact all they’d done is change the name to Landmark.

                    Another one who created some kind of electronic bug zapper for yeast infections which was a totally squirrelly device who was “invited onto the OT Levels”.

                    Same thing with a few others who had obvious connections to Organized Crime, the Media and Intelligence Community who were given a pass as well.

                    Then of course there was Reed Slatkin who was on NOTs while running one of America’s biggest Ponzi Scams.

                    When I was working AO’s FES unit we’d get all kind of cases who couldn’t pass the Security checklist who would somehow mysteriously make it onto the OT Levels after petitioning Senior HCO or OSA or whoever and giving a big dono to IAS and /or by buying a
                    Mission Starter Package.

                    Seems “Illegal PCs” was selectively applied depending on the size of the prospects bank account.

                    • “I canโ€™t believe they have those โ€œordersโ€. Off-line. No wonder thereโ€™s the jitters and shakes and crap; hell, with all the BS thatโ€™s around this level in the CoS, Iโ€™d be so interiorized it would be hard for any โ€œmagicโ€ or miracles to occur. No wonder.”

                      After working for WUS Flubcatch and then seconded to AO there’s really nothing that surprised me as far as False Data being perpetuated in the Field.

                      A lot of it was usually perpetrated by some untrained or poorly trained moron who was given cred because he or she had some position of authority or was an “OL” of some kind.

                      Like this B.S. that an F/N has to go back and forth at least 3X before it can be called an F/N originated by someone who washed out on the IV Internship and is an NCG as far as I can see.

                    • RV: When I was working AOโ€™s FES unit weโ€™d get all kind of cases who couldnโ€™t pass the Security checklist who would somehow mysteriously make it onto the OT Levels after petitioning Senior HCO or OSA or whoever and giving a big dono to IAS and /or by buying a Mission Starter Package.

                      Seems ยซ Illegal PCs ยป was selectively applied depending on the size of the prospects bank account.”

                      When I used to FES and do the “Starting OT VI” checklists for those completed on OT V looking at starting OT VI and VII at Flag in the Sandcastle AO, I think I came across one person I kicked back and asked the MAA to check into their history. I guess you kept them all at AOLA. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Thanks. LOL

                    • You’re of course talking about the same place that the biggest arms dealer in the world at the time and architect of BCCI was given a personal tour of ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Chris,

            This whole thing promoted at the Church that if you get 10000 Pre OTs auditing on NOTs that it will effect some kind of Global change all on its own is delusional.

            There is no where anywhere that I know of where Ron says that Solo Auditing all by itself will achieve the Aims of Scientology or anything close.

            This is what these untrained morons who skip up the Pre OT levels want to believe but *it just isn’t true*.

            Why do you think the Ol’man wrote Training and OT?

            Why do you think he released the following RED 259:

            L. Ron Hubbard EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE

            LRH ED 259 INT 16 March 1975

            To: All Staff

            All Continents including Europe

            From: RON

            Subject: A CALL FOR 100,000 AUDITORS, C/Ses AND
            SUPERVISORS AND 10.000 OTs BY 13 MAR 1976

            Ref: LRH ED 153RF INT Org Conditions Stat
            LRH ED 258 INT How You Are Limiting the Size
            and Income of Your Org

            LRH ED 120R INT Auditors Association Project in Your Area

            Every Class IV and Forming Org org in the world is set a
            target of 1000 paid, active, fully trained Auditors, C/Ses
            and Supervisors in its field by 13 Mar 1976.

            SHs’ targets are 1000 paid, fully trained Class VI to IX
            Auditors, HSSTs and HPCSCs for its whole area.

            AO targets are 3333 new OTs for their areas.

            There are 101 Orgs, Forming Orgs and City Offices.

            By allocating this target of 1000 to every org it is not
            only possible to bring about 100,000 active Auditors, C/Ses
            and Supervisors, it is attainable in one year.

            By allocating 3333 OTs to every AO, this target as well
            becomes attainable.

            Why do we want these Auditors, C/Ses and Supervisors?

            The society is on its way out. Psychology is a discredited
            subject. Psychiatry even knows it has failed. Crime is
            tearing countries apart. People have ceased to wholly
            trust themselves or others. These hard facts are the
            result of sweeping public surveys.

            The only people who can bail them out and put a new
            civilization here are Auditors, C/Ses, Supervisors, the
            trained Administrators of orgs and OTs.

            68% want to be Auditors. They want to help others.

            The opposition to Scientology is crumbling to dust across
            the world.

            It is time we began to Clear this planet!

            We have surveys. We have programs to come. We have the tech. Nothing like us has ever happened before on this planet.

            So here we go.

            WHAT ORG WILL BEAT THE REST?

            Here is your game for this year!

            DEFINITIONS

            A paid trained HSDC qualifies for a Forming Org or City
            Office, if it trained him.

            A paid, fully trained, ACTIVE HSDC Class IV or XDn Auditor or a Dn or Class IV or XDn C/S or an HPCSC qualifies for a Class IV Org.

            A paid, fully trained, ACTIVE Class V or Class VI or Class
            VII or Class VIII or Class IX Auditor or an HSST or an
            HPCSC for SH supervision quality qualifies for an SH.

            A person who has attined Clear and any OT Grade qualifies for an AO.

            An Auditor, C/S or Supervisor who is rehabilitated to being
            active such as by an Auditor Rehab List or retread or
            retrain and becomes active thereby qualifies.

            Active means engaging in Scientology full or part time in
            an Org, Forming Org, City Office, Franchise or individually
            in the field.

            Fully trained means certified by an org and able to bring
            about the results of his Class or Certificate.

            To claim credit for an active Auditor, the org must have
            trained him or brought him back to activity.

            So that’s the game and that’s what’s needed.

            Don’t forget to sell Auditing.

            Remember, this is our Planet.

            100,000 Auditors, C/Ses and Supervisors and 10,000 OTs by
            13 March AD26.

            START!

            L. RON HUBBARD
            Founder

            LRH:nt:bk

            Again:

            The society is on its way out. Psychology is a discredited
            subject. Psychiatry even knows it has failed. Crime is
            tearing countries apart. People have ceased to wholly
            trust themselves or others. These hard facts are the
            result of sweeping public surveys.

            The only people who can bail them out and put a new
            civilization here are Auditors, C/Ses, Supervisors, the
            trained Administrators of orgs and OTs.

            Why do you think he wanted 10X more auditors then OTs?

              • I do?????

                I thought I was being rhetorical ๐Ÿ˜‰

                Another good question is if a tree fell in a forest and there was no one around to hear it.

                Would it still make a sound?

                ๐Ÿ™‚

                • There you go, speaking about the forests and trees again. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                  To answer your question (rhetorical or otherwise), it depends on whether you’re speaking in terms of physics, or terms of physiology:

                  “In physics, sound is a vibration that propagates as a typically audible mechanical wave of pressure and displacement, through a medium such as air or water. In physiology and psychology, sound is the reception of such waves and their perception by the brain.”

                  Sounds exist outside of human hearing, much like light waves can exist outside of human sight. Our inability to see (hear) the “forest for the trees” doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Does it? ๐Ÿ˜‰

                  • I was just throwing that question out there for fun. Actually I came to a similar conclusion to yours long ago.

                    But remember as Heinlein or was it Bradbury who said that: “In outer space. No one can hear you scream.”

                    ๐Ÿ™‚

            • RV: “There is no where anywhere that I know of where Ron says that Solo Auditing all by itself will achieve the Aims of Scientology or anything close.”

              Never said that, nor did I say it would achieve all the Aims of Scientology. What I did say was that it can produce miracles and change the world, and for someone who hasn’t done any of it to say that’s deluded is offensive, Robin. You should know as well that Ron looked at the OT III band as a major handling for the 4th Dynamic engram and saw it as destimulating it and bringing sanity to the world. Totally agree with you re untrained OTs.

              RV: “The society is on its way out. Psychology is a discredited
              subject. Psychiatry even knows it has failed.”

              While I agree society is on its way out, more and more drugs are being produced and sold/prescribed. More and more people look to drugs and “quick fixes” to address their problems in life. I don’t see it as failure; I see it is a pernicious and invasive malady of society, at least western society. Perhaps that is what will be the final battle: eastern vs. western philosophies of life.

              • Oh please.

                You think a bunch of untrained “OTs” are going to make a better world.

                I refer you to the Student Hat Lecture which is also on the SHSBC entitled Training and Duplication.

                Also so as not to be diverted into any confidential data. The fact is that it is true that Section III contains the forth dynamic engram. It still has to be *audited* which means bringing *individuals* who are more self determined now up to that level.

                This is covered in the lecture RJ 67.

                As I wrote I know nowhere that Ron says this Utopian dream promoted by the Church of getting 10000 Pre OTs auditing on Solo NOTs will change the world for the better *all by itself*.

                This to me is like that crazy cockeyed idea they had sometime back that Tom Cruise was going to “drive people into the Org”.

                As far as I’m concerned it is *delusional*.

                Also the fact is that Psychiatry and Psychology are discredited “sciences”. The only thing keeping them afloat is their ability to prescribe mind altering drugs.

                They are nothing but pushers in white smocks.

                Drugs themselves have always been popular on the whole track.

                Also it is not the population in general who accept this quick fix solution but the Government allied with the Pharmaceutical industry who are coercing people into taking them.

                Left to their own devices. As we can see by the popularity of medical marijuana legislation in various States that they prefer something that is less dangerous and habit forming instead of Paxil, Prozac, Zyban and the rest of the witch’s brew promoted by big pharma.

                Personally I don’t see any big battle between Eastern and Western philosophies or Communism or Socialism and Capitalism because they have become a Combination Terminal being manipulated by the same people or their heirs discussed in RJ 67.

                • We all have our delusions, eh, Robin? Only yours are much wilder and the stuff of sci-fi/fantasy grade B movies for late night TV. Still, there’s entertainment value in many things I guess.

                  By the way, re duplication, perhaps it is you who should avail yourself of that reference.

                  Cheers, old sod. ๐Ÿ™‚

                  • Uh huh.

                    Obviously you might have a few mis-us in History of Man AKA What to Audit especially the introduction.

                    Also I recommend that *you* actually listen to the lecture yourself. Especially the part about having untrained Clears rule the world.

                • RV: You think a bunch of untrained โ€œOTsโ€ are going to make a better world.

                  LRH stated auditors have the up-and-up on Clears. Perhaps considerations to the contrary were once widespread and LRH decided to write something about it.

                  I have never tried to compare OTs to trained auditors. Auditors make Clears, even assist along the route to OT. If the product of auditors, ie. Clears and OT wouldn’t amount to much, then it would be pointless to make them.

                  LRH stated the making of OT VIIIs would shake the rafters and and hinges of this universe. One can’t say it’s for naught. But most certainly untrained OTs cannot clear people or move them to OT.

                  From personel experience, others do benefit from having OTs around. They can destimulate, de-enturbulate and calm other people in their environment, and is part and parcel of a better world.

                  • Good points, FM. Thanks. Personally (although RV doesn’t get it), I think auditors are superior to pcs, and trained OTs superior to “just” OTs. So you put it well.

                    • Chris: I think auditors are superior to pcs, and trained OTs superior to โ€œjustโ€ OTs.

                      I’m curious why these comparisons are routinely brought up. Who had been contesting it? To me, it’s not only a nonsensical debate, but also a moot point.

                      A content Mercedes driving Customer who is also a certified Mercedes mechanic is SUPERIOR to just a content Mercedes driving Customer. If the customer bring is lots of referrals, and the mechanic is a drunk and makes lots of mistakes, I’d consider the customer more VALUABLE than the mechanic. So the Mercedes execs say … lol … ๐Ÿ˜€

                    • I don’t get what?

                      That one can just Solo Audit away without being actually physically involved in making this by auditing others or assisting in getting others up the bridge and that somehow the world will magically change all by itself.

                      I guess I didn’t get that memo and neither did Ron obviously.

                    • My mistake then.

                      I thought you mighta been promoting the line that the Church was promoting these days and that is if ya get 10000 Solo NOTs auditing then suddenly it’s Satchmo’s Wonderful World ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      The problem with the Org these days is that like any typical bunch of squirrels they get some of it right while getting most of it wrong.

                    • “A content Mercedes driving Customer who is also a certified Mercedes mechanic is SUPERIOR to just a content Mercedes driving Customer. If the customer bring is lots of referrals, and the mechanic is a drunk and makes lots of mistakes, Iโ€™d consider the customer more VALUABLE than the mechanic. So the Mercedes execs say โ€ฆ lol โ€ฆ :D”

                      I get your point but at least the drunken mechanic once he’s sobered up can fix his busted Mercedes at the side of the road while the Mercedes customer has to wait for Triple A to tow him into a shop to fix a bad distributor cap or a frayed spark plug wire.

                      So the moral of the story is while the drunken mechanic is driving toward his next DUI the customer is stuck in the middle of no where with no bars showing up on his cell phone ๐Ÿ™‚

                  • I’d say it’s a Catch 22 FM.

                    Since Ron also says one won’t make it to OT unless they are *trained* per the HCOB Training and OT.

                    My own observation is that most of the OTs that I considered OT were in fact trained as well.

                    • RV: Since Ron also says one wonโ€™t make it to OT unless they are *trained* per the HCOB Training and OT.

                      Well, I’m trained, but not to the ying-yang. Does that make less of the daily gains I get from Solo NOTs? Does that not make me OT, even though I get phenomenal case gain and wins betterment daily?

                      Well, maybe I will never be OT, but I continue to experience higher states of beingness continually, and as long as that keeps going, I couldn’t be bothered to mince words with anyone.

                    • Agreed, FM. And I think it’s time you wrote some down for Lana to post, maybe your story of what it took to get there, because that in itself was OT. Love to hear/read some of them. ๐Ÿ™‚

                    • OPERATING THETAN, 1. a thetan exterior who can have but doesn’t have to have a body in order to control or operate thought, life, matter, energy, space and time. (SH Spec 82, 6611C29)

                      2. willing and knowing cause over life, thought, matter, energy, space and time. And that would of course be mind and that would of course be universe. (SH Spec 80, 6609C08)

                      3. an individual who could operate totally independently of his body whether he had one or didn’t have one. He’s now himself, he’s not dependent on the universe around him. (SH Spec 66, 6509C09)

                      4. a Clear who has been refamiliarized with his capabilities. (HCOB 12 Jul 65)

                      5. a being at cause over matter, energy, space, time, form and life. Operating comes from “able to operate without dependency on things” and thetan is the Greek letter theta (รธ), which the Greeks used to represent “thought” or perhaps “spirit” to which an “n” is added to make a new noun in the modern style used to create words in engineering. (BCR, p. 10)

                      6. by operating thetan we mean theta clear plus ability to operate functionally against or with mest and other life forms.
                      (SCP, p. 3)

                      7. this state of being is attained by drills and familiarity after the state of Clear has been obtained. A real OT has no reactive bank, is cause over matter, energy, space, time and thought and is completely free. (HCOB 12 Jul 65)

                    • RV: I think itโ€™s time you wrote some down for Lana to post, maybe your story of what it took to get there, because that in itself was OT.

                      You mean the successful Nigerian chain letter scam I ran that paid for all my services. Well, I think I should get that probably handled first thing after I complete OV III before I say anything further. I mean, until at least I’m sure I won’t be writing it from Cellblock “A” … ๐Ÿ˜€

                    • LOL. Make sure you got paper!

                      No, I meant what you went through in the “FZ” to get onto VII, just the parts you could write about. You made it go right, really made it go right. Sometime you’ll write it up. I look forward to that day. ๐Ÿ™‚

                    • Chris: Make sure you got paper!

                      “Mein Kampf” was not written under vastly dissimilar circumstances and look what happened to the world.

                    • Chris: No, I meant what you went through in the โ€œFZโ€ to get onto VII, just the parts you could write about.

                      One day when I have the right juices running through my veins I’ll do something up.

                      Thx for the ack. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • RV: They think by putting up these ostentatious edifices it will attract to โ€œrightโ€ kinda people to Scientology.

          Check around the 28:00 minute mark or so.

          In his recent election campaign statements and interviews, The Donald have been throwing a phenomenal amount of subtle SCN terminology around, ENOUGH to make me wonder, getting into the principles of SURVIVAL, FAIR GAMING and always attacking, never defending.

        • RV: โ€œโ€ฆthe deluded types who believe that if they Solo enough NOTs that the world will somehow magically change before their eyes.โ€

          Is the quality of this world, and change thereof, not somewhat depended on the principle of “Viewpoint of Consideration”?

          When you get into SOLO NOTs, it’s like having a self-administered spiritual OPTORECTOMY operation … it severs the cord that connects your eyeballs to your anus to get rid of one’s sh*tty outlook on life. ๐Ÿ˜€

          • Is the quality of this world, and change thereof, not somewhat depended on the principle of โ€œViewpoint of Considerationโ€?

            There is that but also agreements as well. Not to mention various forms of entrapment. Similar to those used earlier on the track which brought us to where we are now.

            “When you get into SOLO NOTs, itโ€™s like having a self-administered spiritual OPTORECTOMY operation โ€ฆ it severs the cord that connects your eyeballs to your anus to get rid of oneโ€™s sh*tty outlook on life.”

            Yeah I had that concept when I finished original OT VII but then I looked at the way things are.

            In my opinion it will take more then just Solo Auditing to correct it.

            • RV: There is that but also agreements as well. Not to mention various forms of entrapment. Similar to those used earlier on the track which brought us to where we are now.

              SOlo NOTs does a terrific job breaking that up all to h*ll.

              RV: Yeah I had that concept when I finished original OT VII but then I looked at the way things are.

              In my opinion it will take more then just Solo Auditing to correct it.

              Agreed. ๐Ÿ™‚

              Curious, you are right on the threshold casewise to undertake what in my book is the greatest adventure yet. When are you starting? Based on the gains, spiritual betterments as well as new abilities esp. in handling what appear to be impossible tasks, I consider this level more important than my immediate physical life. Merely the fact that I KNOW I cannot be planted back into any area, body, identity or autorun activities any longer is beyond anything I could ever have bargained for when I came into Scientology.

                • I agree with FM, Robin. An auditor also has to take care of his own case and this helps in his/her taking care of the case of others, as LRH has said in a previous post of mine. Be good to see you on NOTs. Should be quite a few possibilities in the LA area.

                    • Yeh, it was. I loved it. But I love NOTs better. I still remember how much I laffed when I got it at Flag with Ray Rockl. We were rolling on the floor outside the HGC so many times. You really should look at finding someone and getting onto the level. It’s a hoot, and it does work magic. Just happened again for me after a session today. ๐Ÿ™‚

                    • True. That’s the magic of Scientology. But NOTs, well, that’s a whole other kettle of fish. But that’s fine. You don’t have to do it. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                    • Chris: But NOTs, well, thatโ€™s a whole other kettle of fish.

                      Absolutely. Not comparable to any other auditing I ever had … except perhaps audited NOTs, but that’s still low-octane. Solo NOTs for me case gain-wise will easily eat up a whole OT V level in under a week. Not only super-powerful stuff, but it gets faster and faster sloughing off the case as less and less is left to run. I’ve had at least 100-fold the TA action of audited NOTs up to this point, it’s light-years up the bridge. 6-8 20-min. session daily and the world next week won’t be the same. It’s the level that gets the hidden claws off from anyone and anything. ๐Ÿ™‚

                    • Couldn’t have said it better, FM. It’s something entirely different. And being solo, you can set your own speed. Just came out of session on one that blew me away. Earlier today, some true magic occurred. Definitely nothing else like it in the world. IMO.

                    • Somehow, as an OT IV, some way, some day, I know I need to get started on NOTS. Suggestions welcome as to how best to proceed from here in my comfortable life in central Washington. But not here on this thread/blog, please.

                    • RV: Then you also must know that I was one of the top producing Auditors there.

                      Curious, for how many years/total hours have you put in for AOs/Orgs? You weren’t SO though, or am I mistaken?

                    • Around 5 years at ASHO then AO.

                      Also did some time at CCI,NWC and CCHR Int.

                      Probably thousands.

                      Didn’t have to be SO to work at SO Orgs with the exception of Flag at one time.

                    • pazooter: Suggestions welcome as to how best to proceed from here in my comfortable life in central Washington.

                      If that’s Washington State, then ex-FSO vet Class IX Ronit Charney in Portland is the most on-source to get you there standardly. I know of others in or about WA, but these only ‘think’ they know what they are doing, mostly believers of their own PR.

                    • “Somehow, as an OT IV, some way, some day, I know I need to get started on NOTS. Suggestions welcome as to how best to proceed from here in my comfortable life in central Washington. But not here on this thread/blog, please.”

                      Yeah I’m with ya on that Pazooter.

                      It beats hectoring any day.

              • RV: Iโ€™ll get onto NOTs when I find a co-auditor.

                RV, WE NEED YOU to get that handled by Thursday 2:00 PM.

                It’s COMMAND INTENTION. Get your Ethics in !!!!

                Your eternity is at stake. You could have been a victim of Charlestown.

                NOW NOW NOW !!!!!!!!

                (If this doesn’t axe any self-determined incentive to move up the bridge, little else will. It’s probably the fearful and those who believe others know better that do.)

                I’m throwing my postulate up your way that you will find a co-auditor.

                Well done auditing others. ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

                • “Iโ€™m throwing my postulate up your way that you will find a co-auditor.
                  Well done auditing others. ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ :)”

                  Thanks FM.

                  The rest I pretty much disregarded. Just as I did when I was on Org lines ๐Ÿ™‚

      • “How? By applying Scientology auditing in a standard manner to results. That is the bottom line.”

        Exactly, Jim.

        “Where does Standard Tech begin? What is it?

        It is the accumulation of those exact processes which make a way between humanoid and OT. The exact method of organizing them, the exact method of delivering them, and the exact repair of any errors made on that route.

        So the net result of all of this is that when it is not standard he will have had some gain; it’s not all bad, but he’ll also have not achieved his full gain.

        And the difference between some gain and the difference between that and full gain, is the difference between wobbly-bobbly tech and very standard, precise tech.” LRH (Class VIII TAPE 2, 25 Sep 68, “WHAT STANDARD TECH DOES”)

      • Hi Jim. Well put, and I gotcha, pal. ๐Ÿ™‚

        Being an avid Tone Scale affectionado, since finding this LRH ‘tool’ all of 44 years ago, I have since made daily practice of the range, much as a piano player exercises their scales or sonatas on a daily basis.

        I have found it an ENORMOUS time saver to simply match ‘the’ tone I’m encountering, to start off ‘on the right foot’.

        If we meet raw public, on a daily basis, to me it is just senseless to
        ignore that! Only once that simple ’empathy’ has been established, do I proceed to build the triangle of ‘understanding’.

        Naturally, it then just become a breeze to coax the dude/dudess up the notches of Tone.

        This is and always was, very simple for me to do, especially with raw public.

        Jim, I do hope you’ve squarely gotten my labored question?

        – “Do we have our collective Auditor’s hat on.” (Are we interested enough to learn what we’re dealing with, (in front of us), before plunging in?)

        And hell man, if this is all to be taken so seriously, It definitely can’t be Scientology. I learned way back that it should be fun!! ๐Ÿ™‚

  11. Apologies to those who had comments in moderation for too long. A logistics issue has now been handled and we shall continue with the program… ๐Ÿ™‚

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